^Sorry to say this but most this below sounds like a 5 year plan from the former Soviet Union. "antisocial driving" what is that ? I think the movie "the Matrix" showed the way to cut down on driving, pollution and the need for public transportation Notice how many times FORCE and AUTHORITY is mentioned and/or implied AGSC^ On 2006-Aug 31, at 22:27hrs PM, Ling SM wrote: > how to discourage antisocial car use (rather than disouraging car > ownership > but encouraging those who decide to own a car to use them as much as > possible which is what current systems seem to do): > 1: charge all road taxes based on distance or fuel use not as a > fixed cost. > 2: force insurance companies to do the same. > 3: charge extra for using busy roads at busy times (doing it on a > per road > basis is impractical but a zone based system like londons is > reasonable) > 4: provide good schemes for parking outside the city centre and > catching > public transport in, ideally make theese as faster(in other words > preferablly trains of some form and if you must use busses make > sure they > have priority in the road network) and cheaper than parking in the > centre. Almost all (and more) you raised are implemented here except #2. But it is starting to get irritating because after putting the road usage under control through pricing and higher pricing, 1. the authority is evading from the most important part of the work - responsible design and continuous evaluation and redesign of city, road and related actvities. A lot of wastage can be cut and much efficency gained with a little bit of additional brain power here. Cutting wastage is the most effective mean of power generation. Yes - Free Energy. 2. public transport price is rising beyond acceptable reasons. It is being price like non-essential services. And listed transportation monoplies are manuplicating their figures to coincide with fare revisin timing. Ling SM -- http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ AGSC Augustus Gustavius Salvatore Calabrese 4337 Raleigh Street Denver, CO 720 222 1309 303 908 7716 cell adding " spam2006 " bypasses my spam blocker. Please place in the text or at the END of the subject line. ( i am hard to reach by phone ) All ideas, text, drawings and audio , that are originated by me, and included with this signature text are to be deemed to be released to the public domain as of the date of this communication . AGSC ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ -- http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist