> It is not guaranteed that moving several > tons of metal through rush hour stop and go every day just to move one > person means a high quality of life -- for that person or the ones around > that person. while i don't have a car myself yet i certainly see it as a very desirable way of getting arround even compared to good public transport. if travelling by car and suddenly you wan't to take say a couple of PCs and monitors with you or maybe a couple of small but heavy rackmount servers to/from a colocation facility its no issue, doing it by public transport would be a major pita. the same goes for shopping, you can bring far more in one car trip where you use a supermarket trolly to load the car (or if walking round a shopping centre going back to the car to drop stuff off when you have as much as you can carry before resuming shopping) and park it near the house to unload than you can if you have to carry it all with you in one go (pretty much a requirement for taking stuff with you on public transport) also unless you live work and do everything you wan't to do really near the city centre public transport often puts severe restrictions on when you can travel, for example here (somewhere in the uk i won't say exactly where) we now have a bus service every 15 minuites monday to saturday daytime which is just fine. However if you wan't to travel on sundays or public holidays or in the evenings then its down to an hourly service which means any trip needs carefull planning. Connection issues make using infrequent evening/sunday/public holiday services even worse if you aren't simply travvelling in and out of the center of town. having said that taking cars into a city centre in rush hour is certainly something that should be discouraged to improve everyones quality of life. how to discourage antisocial car use (rather than disouraging car ownership but encouraging those who decide to own a car to use them as much as possible which is what current systems seem to do): 1: charge all road taxes based on distance or fuel use not as a fixed cost. 2: force insurance companies to do the same. 3: charge extra for using busy roads at busy times (doing it on a per road basis is impractical but a zone based system like londons is reasonable) 4: provide good schemes for parking outside the city centre and catching public transport in, ideally make theese as faster(in other words preferablly trains of some form and if you must use busses make sure they have priority in the road network) and cheaper than parking in the centre. -- http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist