Hi Mark, Try modeling the op-amp as a voltage source whose output is a large number (make it a variable G or A) times the difference between the non-inverting and inverting inputs. The exact value of G should not change your answer much. If you want to be even more accurate, you could model it as a voltage source whose output is as above PLUS a smaller number (G/Q, where Q would be the common mode rejection ratio, or perhaps a factor of 1000 or 10000) times the sum of the two inputs. Another non-ideality which will come into play is the offset voltage of the op-amp. To add this in, use the above model but also add in a constant to the output (this constant should be a few millivolts times G). G will typically be around 1 million. Let's say that the op-amp has an offset voltage of 1 millivolt. Then V+ and V- will sit 1 millivolt apart. This means that the current 0.001/Ra has to come from the feedback network. It will come from the 100k resistor (at least up until the opamp saturates) since the voltage on either side of the 10k resistor is fixed. This means that the output voltage will have an error of 100k/Ra times 0.001 or 100/Ra. This will be 1 volt for a 100 ohm resistor. If the op-amp is not a cmos type and has significant input bias current, then this will add to the error involved. Sean On 8/25/06, Mark Rages wrote: > Hi, > > The circuit I've attached is a staightforward op-amp amplifier with a > gain of -10. > > For reasons outside the scope of this question*, I needed to add the > resistor I've called Ra. > > In the traditional "virtual ground" method of analysis, Ra doesn't > appear in the gain equation. I tried Ra=10k in my circuit, and indeed > it continued to work unchanged. But I'm pretty sure if I set Ra=0 the > circuit would stop working! > > To analyze this, I guess I will need a non-ideal op-amp model. What > is the important parameter to include? Finite gain? Offset voltage? > > Regards, > Mark > markrages@gmail > > * Because someone will want to know, it's to limit the voltage swing > at an analog switch IC (not pictured). > -- > You think that it is a secret, but it never has been one. > - fortune cookie > > > -- > http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive > View/change your membership options at > http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist > > > > -- http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist