I actually find Gus rather confusing in general lmao (no offence Gus).

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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Howard Winter" <HDRW@H2Org.demon.co.uk>
To: "Microcontroller discussion list - Public." <piclist@mit.edu>
Sent: Saturday, August 19, 2006 2:18 PM
Subject: Re: [EE]: Lithium Ion Batteries.. I told Ya So recall ..psi


> Gus,
>
> I don't know if it's just me, but I find your quoting style really 
> confusing - I only understood who was saying what because the person you 
> were
> quoting was me!
>
> On Thu, 17 Aug 2006 19:57:35 -0600, Gus S Calabrese wrote:
>
>> On 2006-Aug 17, at 09:33hrs AM, Howard Winter wrote:
>>>
>>>...
>>> Some things should not be judged on cost, in my opinion - the
>>> possibility of killing people is one of them!
>
>>
>> ^ Okay Howard ...... How much will you pay per person in the Sub-
>> sahara to spring them from slavery ?
>> How much will you pay to shut down every nuclear and coal fired plant
>> in the U.K. ?
>> How much are you willing to pay to eliminate motor vehicles from the
>> motorways ?
>> All of these present a very real possibility of killing people.
>> Try to imagine you are from Mars and you really want to avoid killing
>> people.  How would you do it ?
>> ( I stupidly care about the pursuit of human happiness [ I really
>> do ] and I have carefully analyzed what
>> brings the greatest good to the greatest number.  And the answer is
>> relatively easy to describe and impossible
>> to implement ..... because individuals are so short sighted and
>> ferociously selfish. )
>
> You are going completely away from what I said - I wasn't talking about 
> saving every life that ends early, that's like "solving the World's 
> problems",
> an unattainable goal.
>
> I was talking about companies calculating the cost of fixing a problem 
> that has dangerous consequences, versus the cost of letting people get 
> killed
> and paying compensation, and deciding to go for the cheaper option.  There 
> have been some famous cases, the Pinto fuel-tank being a classic
> example.  And the US Justice system ruled that deciding to let people die 
> for increased profits was a Bad Thing, and fined them a huge amount of
> money to show them that their decision was wrong economically as well as 
> morally.
>
> Everyone is responsible for safety, theirs and that of people in their 
> charge (children, employees, the public, etc).  Saying that a circular saw 
> is
> inherently dangerous so people should be careful, so we shouldn't do 
> anything to make them safer is a deriliction of duty, IMHO.
>
> People are remarkably versatile - it's my belief that that's why we're top 
> species on this planet - and will always find a shortcut-way to do
> something.  That's why automatic safety devices are needed, because saying 
> "be careful" falls way short of protecting people.
>
> (As a matter of interest there are very few coal-fired power stations left 
> in the UK - most of them have been converted to gas.  But Tony Blair is
> talking about building lots of new Nuclear power stations.  Shame he 
> didn't ask us first...  Oh, and Motorways are the safest roads we have - 
> it would
> save more lives if we got people off the other roads and onto them!)
>
> Cheers,
>
>
> Howard Winter
> St.Albans, England
>
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