Tony Smith wrote: > Your ball bearing & glue model sounds good. I'd replace with glue with > rubber though. Anyway, under heat, the atoms are behaving like little > children holding onto their parents hands - bouncing all over the place, but > not getting very far. They're very determined to go somewhere. Rubber wouldn't show any plastic deformation, and elastic deformation is already part of the metal balls. There's a point where metal undergoes permanent deformation. I'm not sure we would get there; considering the small distances, possibly not. > Still, the ball bearing test is a good one. Downside is it sounds easy to > do, but isn't. I agree with that, and I think all tests to confirm/deny any of the affirmations here are difficult. There are so many other possible effects, and the changes are really small. I'm still not really convinced there isn't a situation where it won't grow. There may not be a situation where it shrinks. But I think it is non-trivial to find that out. Gerhard -- http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist