On Mon, 7 Aug 2006 11:14:01 +0200 (MEST), you wrote: >Tamas Rudnai wrote : > >> There is no socket or whatever, so how do you program >> it without ICSP? > >You don't. Why not just use ICSP ? > >> I could not find any info on the program memory types, >> so are they OTP or Flash or anything else? > >Same as the DIPs. Where on earth did you look !? >It should be perfectly clear from the Microchip web site. > >> What tool do you recommend for dealing with SMD stuff.. > >This isn't PIC specific, so I'll pass on that one... > >> Is there any place in Ireland or UK where I have a chance >> to buy copper-clad boards that are not as thick (the standard >> is 1.6mm I think and I was thinking of having as thin as possible >> as the size will be really small -- the lighter is better Mega Electronics (www.megauk.com) do 0.8mm photoresist board, but only in big sheets RS (rswww.com)also do thin photoresist laminates, e.g. 159-5802 for a DS eurocard in 0.8mm. Also 0.4mm thick stock no. 292-6948. The RS stuff is made by a French company called CIF, http://www.cif.fr/ who also make photoresist PCB in a variety of thicknesses and materials including teflon & flexi & Alu clad -- http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist