> There is no socket or whatever, so how do you program > it without ICSP? I've had success using a PCB mounted on a 40-pin DIP socket (which goes into the Picstart Plus ZIF) and holding the chip down with a spring. Fairly easy and cheap to make. The pads needed are the 5 for ISCP (0V, 5V, MCLR, Data, Clock). An outline of plastic centres the chip. The spring is an extension type, the sort you'd find in a disposable lighter. Fixed to the PCB at one end of the chip, it's pulled tight and hooked at the other end of the chip. A piece of 2mm plastic sheet is between the spring and the chip. Sounds primitive but it works OK. I've used it on SMT 628s, but not yet on SMT 10F200s. I see no reason why it shouldn't work with those too (maybe finding that out sooner rather than later) The other option is to have pads on your target PCB and program with ICSP using pogo pins. Before I got some of the proper ones, I used spring-loaded pins from the spares box. They were meant for holding watch straps but were a pretty good substitute for pogo pins. Worked alright -- http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist