> On 2006-Aug 06, at 09:09hrs AM, Tony Smith wrote:
> 
> You're right, I did jump to conclusions, mainly because I've 
> no idea what you are bitching about.
> 
> You say you don't like the status quo, and when asked what 
> you'd prefer, you state 'you tell me'.  If you're going to 
> complain, at least offer an alternative.
> 
> Ok, you don't like mob rule, by which I assume you're 
> referring to 'democratic' society, rather than a group of 
> people with torch & pitchforks advancing on your house, 
> Frankenstein style.  The mob does things to suit themselves, 
> which isn't fair.
> 
> On the other hand, you want to have a ruling class (but no 
> suggestion on where they come from, but I presume it includes 
> you), and then want to limit their power to only 2% of 
> decisions.  Good luck with that.  Right then, I don't want to 
> pay tax, but still want my garbage picked up, no noise from 
> anyone after 10PM, daylight saving in winter, and a pony.  
> The 'rulers' can decide on the colour of the pony.  Sounds 
> good to me.  And get off my damn lawn.
> 
> Sure, there are plenty of things in my society I don't like.  
> And if I look at it objectively (see above), I'm basically 
> being selfish.  I can't offer a real alternative, and coupled 
> with being selfish, I don't have grounds to complain.
> 
> You can drop out of society, plenty of people do.
> 
> You can't have a society of selfish individuals (despite R.A. 
> Heinlein occasionally thinking otherwise).  Beside, whose 
> going to build the iPod factory?  ^ the selfish individuals 
> would build the iPOD factory ^
> 
> Tony
> 
> (Ok, RAH believed in the rugged, independent, resourceful person.   
> Who just
> happened to be in amongst a bunch of ordinary dreary 9-5 sheep.   
> Which one
> are you?  Silly question!)
> 
> I want a ruling class consisting of each individual ruling themselves.
> Do I want my garbage picked up ?  hire a company to pick it up.
> Do I want charity ?  Ask people to be charitable , no problem 
> , Bill Gates and buddy pitched 60 billion.
> No noise after 10PM ?  soundproof your house plus go talk to 
> your neighbors or sign a contract with them.
> negotiate   voluntary agreements among the willing.
> Daylight savings ha ha ha ha  just say "meet me at xx o'clock please".
> Pony can be purchased by you including optional cans of bio- 
> spray.paint.  ( to change the color ) And get off my damn 
> lawn .... right away sir, it is your lawn and you own it and 
> i expect the same in return.
> Selfish people make much nicer decisions than government drones do.
> And you can have a society of selfish individuals.  Why do 
> you think not ?  The US was essentially that for 100 years or 
> more.  Maybe 200 years in some parts of the US.  It worked 
> fine.  Then it was dismantled by statist addicts.
> I don't want to drop out of a nicely functioning society, 
> just the one we have now.
> Even the sheep have better lives when surrounded by RAH people.
> 
> Gus S Calabrese


Ok, that leaves me no wiser as to what you are bitching about, except you
object to the 'statist addicts', so 'the man' via the 'government drones' is
getting you down, what a drag, dude.

Right then, garbage.  No collection company, they don't exist.  No bunch of
selfish individuals is going to form a company, good lord, how would you
make a decision?  "YOU don't tell ME what to do, dude."

Bill Gates didn't make & give away $Mxx, Microsoft did.

No iPod company, see garbage.

100 year of rugged individualists in the USA?  Ah, the pioneer myth.  Every
country has that.  Even Australia, but it's followed by an embarassed laugh.

Gus, I believe there's a shack with your name on it in Montana.  Letter-bomb
mailing spree optional, of course.  PIC-based triggering mechanism perhaps?

You either have individuals or a society.  You can't have both.  Pick one.
Sure, a society can tolerate a number of indivduals, but that's not the same
thing.

Societies collect the garbage & build iPod factories, individuals don't.

This is getting as tedious as the 'holes bored in metal get smaller when you
heat it up' thread on another list.

Tony


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