On 2006-Aug 06, at 09:09hrs AM, Tony Smith wrote: You're right, I did jump to conclusions, mainly because I've no idea what you are bitching about. You say you don't like the status quo, and when asked what you'd prefer, you state 'you tell me'. If you're going to complain, at least offer an alternative. Ok, you don't like mob rule, by which I assume you're referring to 'democratic' society, rather than a group of people with torch & pitchforks advancing on your house, Frankenstein style. The mob does things to suit themselves, which isn't fair. On the other hand, you want to have a ruling class (but no suggestion on where they come from, but I presume it includes you), and then want to limit their power to only 2% of decisions. Good luck with that. Right then, I don't want to pay tax, but still want my garbage picked up, no noise from anyone after 10PM, daylight saving in winter, and a pony. The 'rulers' can decide on the colour of the pony. Sounds good to me. And get off my damn lawn. Sure, there are plenty of things in my society I don't like. And if I look at it objectively (see above), I'm basically being selfish. I can't offer a real alternative, and coupled with being selfish, I don't have grounds to complain. You can drop out of society, plenty of people do. You can't have a society of selfish individuals (despite R.A. Heinlein occasionally thinking otherwise). Beside, whose going to build the iPod factory? ^ the selfish individuals would build the iPOD factory ^ Tony (Ok, RAH believed in the rugged, independent, resourceful person. Who just happened to be in amongst a bunch of ordinary dreary 9-5 sheep. Which one are you? Silly question!) I want a ruling class consisting of each individual ruling themselves. Do I want my garbage picked up ? hire a company to pick it up. Do I want charity ? Ask people to be charitable , no problem , Bill Gates and buddy pitched 60 billion. No noise after 10PM ? soundproof your house plus go talk to your neighbors or sign a contract with them. negotiate voluntary agreements among the willing. Daylight savings ha ha ha ha just say "meet me at xx o'clock please". Pony can be purchased by you including optional cans of bio- spray.paint. ( to change the color ) And get off my damn lawn .... right away sir, it is your lawn and you own it and i expect the same in return. Selfish people make much nicer decisions than government drones do. And you can have a society of selfish individuals. Why do you think not ? The US was essentially that for 100 years or more. Maybe 200 years in some parts of the US. It worked fine. Then it was dismantled by statist addicts. I don't want to drop out of a nicely functioning society, just the one we have now. Even the sheep have better lives when surrounded by RAH people. Gus S Calabrese Denver, CO 720 222 1309 303 908 7716 cell Please include and do not limit yourself to "spam2006". I allow everything with "spam2006" in the subject or text to pass my spam filters. -- http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist