On 2006-Aug 05, at 08:08hrs AM, Tony Smith wrote: > On 2006-Aug 05, at 02:16hrs AM, Tony Smith wrote: > >>> Subject: Re: [OT] a definite blood.boiler Wheeeeee ! >>> >>> The mob voted, you didn't, so you can't really complain! :) >>> >>> Tony >> >> Do you say that jokingly or do you believe the members of the mob >> should rule ? > > > Well, by definition, democracy is mob rule. > > The only way to stop mob rule is to out-vote the mob. ^1^ By > not voting, you're a non-participant. ^2^ You can either > abolish voting (a meritocracy, perhaps?), get political, > stage a coup or sit about complaining ^3^. > > Australia has also compulsory voting, you get fined if you > don't show up. ^4^ > > This has the added bonus where you can laugh at people who > put 'I fish/shoot/play banjo and I vote' stickers on their > > Tony > > ^1^ Oppose mob rule is another way. Stop them every way you > can from making decisions for you or others. > ^2^ Voting does not make you a participant. Simple math > demonstrates that your vote is worth less than a plugged EURO. > ^3^ Abolish voting for most things ( 98%) Give representatives > decision making > power over the remaining 2%. > ^4^ So one might show up, punch a chad and wobble on home, > proud to have dodged a fine. > AGSC Say, you're not writing this from a little shack in Montana, are you? ( Your question appears to be kind of an ad hominem ) 1. How do you (or have you) oppose mob rule? By not voting and then complaining? Hardly 2. Voting is participation. Lobbying is a step up from that, getting elected even better. ---^ Well yes you are right.... participating in mob rule ...^ ^ Lobbying, voting and holding office is either participating in group rule or a criminal oligarchy and what I mean by that sometimes the politicians ( a small group ) take it upon themselves to make secret deals and rule illegitimately. ^ 3. You don't vote for many things. You vote for someone with similar views to yours, who then votes (legislates) on your behalf. 4. You don't have to worry about that. What exactly are the mob doing that you don't like? No-one likes mob rule, but unless you want be be entirely self-sufficient, you're stuck with it. Nobody is forcing you to participate in society under mob rule. And no cheating on the self-sufficiency, no trips into town to stock up on stuff you can't make yourself, that's relying on the mob. (Bonus test: how do you make a pencil?) I guess that's what 'no man is an island' means. Tony ^ Wow Tony I was commenting on your comments until I got to " no one is forcing you to participate...." Where you live ... are taxes optional? Is attending elementary school optional? Where you live .... are imminent domain laws not in effect..... I could go on for a long time. Plus you do not read other peoples missives very carefully. I said nothing about self-sufficiency, in fact I am a 100% believer in cooperation among freely consenting buyers and sellers. I think you have jumped to massive conclusions about me that are not suggested by what I have said. I am terminating my participation in this discussion because it appears to be headed toward useless name-calling. AGSC ^ -- http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist Gus S Calabrese Denver, CO 720 222 1309 303 908 7716 cell Please include and do not limit yourself to "spam2006". I allow everything with "spam2006" in the subject or text to pass my spam filters. -- http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist