I don't have huge problems with GM foods. The patenting of life is more of a problem. Google on farmer percy for more on that. My deal is the war for oil. GM was the original inspiration for the people at pathtofreedom.com, but what they are doing also just about eliminates their consumption of oil. The bulk of oil use in the USA is actually for fertilizer, pesticides, mechanized farming and the transportation, storage and packaging of food. Growing your own reduces your dependency on others and your use of oil. Even more so than automotive alternatives. PTF does also brew bio for the times they must use their car. It's interesting to me how many different things all point to sustainability. - Worried about GM foods? Sustainability means eating food you grew for yourself, your way. - Worried about peak oil? Organic food from local growers and alternative fuel cars are sustainable. - Worried about global warming? All things sustainable reduce your footprint on the earth. - Worried about stress, heart attack and beating the rat race? Drop out into a sustainable lifestyle. It's slow, easy, healthy and... Peaceful. I'll get my exercise tomorrow loading firewood that a local guy is giving away. No heating bill this winter. Also no gym membership. National geographic just did an article on the leading causes of death today. Heat disease is number one taking 1 of every 5 of us. Cancer does in 1 in 7. Stroke is 1 in 24. Next is automobile accident which has a 1 in 84 chance of killing you. Diabetes is in there http://www.nsc.org/lrs/statinfo/odds_dying.jpg Americans need more exercise, healthier diets, less stress and less commuting. Equals? Sustainability! Another interesting thing is that sustainability = cheap. If you think about it, the bulk of the cost of just about anything is the energy used to make it. Think about a new car: You can buy a H2 or a Prius... Or an old Civic. The new cars are going to require that someone dig up ore, smelt it, transport it to the factory, cast, weld, form it, assemble and then transport the finished car to me. The old civic is already here. Compare the cost of that new hybrid with the cost /difference/ between the gas my old civic will use compared to the new hybrid. News flash! You will never make up the purchase price in gas savings! And so, the old Civic is the greenest car around. And you find that about so many things... If it is old, repairable, and re-useable, it's probably sustainable. And cheap. I love my '92 Civic. --- James. > -----Original Message----- > From: piclist-bounces@mit.edu > [mailto:piclist-bounces@mit.edu] On Behalf Of Gus S Calabrese > Sent: 2006 Aug 04, Fri 21:07 > To: Microcontroller discussion list - Public. > Subject: Path to freedom was: [OT] a definite blood.boiler Wheeeeee ! > Importance: Low > > All comment by me AGSC are in ^ ^ > ^To quote from the site ......^ > All material, audio, and video are protected by copyright and > may not be posted elsewhere, altered, quoted, or used in any > way without express written permission by Path to Freedom (or > by other copyright > holder) and are bound by our terms of condition and copyright > Read > More > > Now, who wouldn't want to consume a hearty bowl of steaming > rice, a golden ear of corn, a red, ripe tomato? That's why > GMOs are so SINISTER; they speak to our hunger. And they also > appeal to our wallets. That combination makes for a lethal > one-two knock-out punch. > Would resistance be futile? > ^And what is the documented downside ?^ > > Let's face it. Our world is in deep, deep trouble and we are > the "troublemakers." We have to make real, difficult changes > yesterday. > ^ Is that the royal "we" or some other kind ? ^ > > One step at a time ^ Yes and in what direction ? ^ > ^I am am happy to accept these guys approach as long as it is > not forced on me^ ^AGSC^ > > > On 2006-Aug 04, at 13:08hrs PM, Bob Axtell wrote: > > James Newtons Massmind wrote: > > > > > > http://www.pathtofreedom.com is the only answer now. > > > > --- > > James. > > > > > > > > Nice link, James. > > --Bob > > -- > http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change > your membership options at > http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist > > Gus S Calabrese > Denver, CO > 720 222 1309 303 908 7716 cell > Please include and do not limit yourself to "spam2006". I > allow everything with "spam2006" in the subject or text to > pass my spam filters. > > > > -- > http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change > your membership options at > http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist > -- http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist