Howdy, > About PicStart+, mine are '96 versions with the flash mod installed, I > have never had a failure. Lucky you -- I've had two fail over the course of about 5 years. Not excessive use (in fact, you could say hobby use -- few dozen times a month). The other thing is they are really, really slow compared to other tools. After my last one crapped out, I got the EasyProg programmer. It seems a very solid programmer and about 4-8 times faster than the PicStart. It supports a lot of chips (nearly anything I was likely to run into) including newer chips and seems pretty rock solid. In terms of support, the PicStart hasn't had a great history with support for chips either. I remember with the 16F628A's came out and the PicStart didn't offer any support for them for about 6 months. I also got the flash mod and I think that with that, they are moving a little faster, but this delay wasn't all that long ago. -- Gerry Duprey Ann Arbor, MI 48103 http://www.cdp1802.org -- http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist