> - There is no socket or whatever, so how do you program it > without ICSP? > > So I have no idea, I have only done ICSP in the past with > these devices. > What you could try, is making a small pcb with the chip > footprint and ICSP connections, then hold the chip against it > whilst programming and moved it to the desired board. Cheap > and maybe effective..... You can buy sockets for SMD, they're not cheap though. http://www.loranger.com/loranger_edc2/html/index.php?page=product_pages/smd_ socket Tony -- http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist