This software I use for my commercial programmer (no one else could drive it except this and the original one that was provided along with the programmer). http://people.freenet.de/dl4yhf/winpicpr.html On that site and in the help files of the software you can also find parallel port programmers (a very simple one and one that works better with newer PICs). Tamas On 02/08/06, John Scott wrote: > > Try this out: > > http://www.home.telkomsa.net/ComPic/propic2/propic202.htm > > They provide a schematic on the website (Looks like its free) or a built > up board for sale. > > You can try using this software: > http://www.quasarelectronics.com/zip/3081.zip , which works fine for me > (my programmer looks similar to the one pictured) > > Cheers > > John > > Richard Le Mesurier wrote: > > Hi, I've been reading the digest for a couple of weeks, and trying to > > get started on pic'ing without much luck. I feel its time to ask you > > guys some newbie questions. I am using PIC 16f84a, WinXP, learning from > > www and course book from local university (Cape Tech, South Africa). > > > > 1) I am trying to build a programmer off the www. In replies from the > > list to someone else recently, it seems that this is a bad idea. > > Can anyone here vouch for the following designs that they should work? > > PPWin hardware - www.semis.demon.co.uk/Pics/ppwincct.bmp > > Oshonsoft hardware - www.oshonsoft.com/picprog.html > > They are Tait designs, and differ only in the fact that Oshonsoft uses > > more caps. (I think) > > Both boards are giving the correct voltages on the pic pins during > > software testing as below. > > > > 2) WinXP abstracts the LPT ports. So I downloaded 2 different LPT > > drivers - can you guys vouch for them? > > GiveIO.sys > > UserPort.sys > > I found GiveIO works, at least under test. > > > > 3) I am trying 2 different softwares, both get good reviews on this > > list, but not sure about their compatibility with XP and the above > > drivers - anyone know? > > ICProg ver 1.05d (also 1.05c) > > FPP ver 0.9 build 43 > > Anyone know correct FPP settings for the boards mentioned above? > > I can get the software to change the correct LPT1 pin outs as required, > > using their test modes and multimeter, but have no oscilloscope to check > > while programming. > > > > Since voltages on pins seem correct under test conditions I am starting > > to think there are timing problems maybe under programming conditions. > > Could there be a synchronisation problem with the board under XP using > > these drivers? Is there a way to test if MCLR rises fast enough to 12.5V > > without using scope? > > > > Am at a loss, and can't afford "real" programmer for a few months, but I > > have all the time and dedication in the world (i.e. unemployed...). Any > > advice appreciated. > > > > Of course I could change to a "better" pic and use bootloader, but that > > requires one have a programmer working to put the boot code on first > > with. Chick'n'egg situation... > > > > Thanks > > Richard > > > > > -- > http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive > View/change your membership options at > http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist > -- http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist