> Very well put. Do not just give them a fish, but teach them how to > fish. I appreciate James' and others' sentiments BUT at present in places like parts of Lebanon one is unlikely to survive long enough to learn how to fish if someone doesn't help you in the short term. And yesterday you probably knew how to fish just fine - it's just that someone has suddenly killed all the fish, drained the dam and is now dropping bombs on what's left. I appreciate the merit of James' hobbyhorse - I have similar horses similar to it :-) - BUT in this case it's actually a red herring, even though it looks like a horse. The majority of people living in the south of Lebanon are currently serving in much the same role as the Belgian people as a whole have traditionally done. Look at all the names of great European battles of centuries past and you'll find that many are Belgian place names. (Waterloo, ... ). Most were battlegrounds because Belgium was a convenient corridor for other people to traipse through to fight other people. In southern Lebanon the people who decided to start firing Chinese manufactured, Iranian supplied long range rockets into Israeli cities are very probably not mostly Lebanese and almost certainly didn't grow up in the area. Regardless of the merits of the conflict the current issue does not 'belong' to those who are suffering most and the MAJOR need is short term relief to keep people alive - not development aid to provide sustainable existence. They mostly had sustainable enough existence (not necessarily of a form that all on this list would be happy to share) before the present crisis erupted. Re aid organisations. I'm not a great UN fan but I passed on their newsletter - they are trying to help here and will do some good and they have credibility internationally in a situation where that is especially needed. Heifer and other schemes like it are great - but they don't fill every need, and just because they don't address some areas it doesn't mean that that area doesn't need addressing. The Mennonites are great on all sorts of counts - they major in addressing "the whole man". Oxfam are also great - in a lesser range of roles than the Mennonites, but they are more capable in some areas in some cases. When it comes to providing frontline practical aid at very very very short notice they SEEM to me to be about as practical and effective as any other organisation I know of. They may not have their own DC3 (and they may) but they surely know how to discern the immediate need and to get pallets of whatever is needed into other people's Hercules and the like in record time. Hours and days - not weeks and months. If anyone knows of other organisations which are as good or better I'd be genuinely pleased to know of them. They beat the UN into Indonesia last time around by many many weeks. Also, if anyone has hard evidence that Oxfam is less rosy and effective than my starry-eyed image of them indicates I'd also be pleased to know. (FWIW / FYI Oxfam started during WW2 as "Oxford Famine Relief" to assist people in Greece (possibly mainly UK citizens ?) affected by the war. )[I have no connection with Oxfam other than sending them money occasionally :-) ]. If (when) the San Andreas decides to let loose big-time then I'm sure James and those nearby will be wanting others to provide short term palliative aid rather than development assistance. I'm sure that in such a case James would personally be willing to contribute massively and practically in the short term to assisting his fellow citizens get through the immediate crisis, and that longer term planning would seem of lesser priority. Immediate practical palliative aid is what Lebanon needs right now. Russell -- http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist