DS> Hi guys, DS> I remember i used Multisim a few months ago and i really liked it DS> because i was able to experiment with electronic components right on DS> the schematics. Is there any free alternative which can compete with DS> Multisim ? At least something like freeware Eagle with limitations I have found that Multisim has a free version ! I did not know that until today. I just installed it and i made a test with my latest pain in the brain : op-amps Turns out that it is a great piece of software for the ones trying to learn electronics like i am. I posted a screenshot with the proof you need about 2V headroom for TL072 to work correctly. Olin, you were right again :-) In the picture i have a function generator set to a max. amplitude of 600mV and the gain of opamp is ~4.7. Anything more than this and i start to get clipped output. This is the picture : http://electronica.asm.ro/electret/preamplif-sim.jpg (~200Kb) -- http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist