I just got a board from a dead de-humidifier, which was powered straight from 220VAC. What at first looked like a custom DIP18 chip certainly seems to be a PIC judging by the pinout. No transformer for power input. No 7805. No nothing. The regulation consisted of a big 1uF unpolarised cap, some (smallish) inductors, a large resistor, diodes, and a couple Zener diodes (which I assume did the "regulation"). Is this reliable/safe? Certainly the most simplistic regulation circuit I've ever seen (+5V was tied almost straight to Neutral!). Wonder if it's cheaper than an off-the-shelf switched 5V supply though. Any thoughts on this? Is this actually in common use, and if so, is it safe or reliable? Were the designers completely crazy doing this? :) -- Hector Martin (hector@marcansoft.com) Public Key: http://www.marcansoft.com/hector.asc -- http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist