I posted this once a few minutes ago and forgot the PIC tag. Sorry. I was at a ham fest flea market event yesterday and a guy selling parts who didn't have anything in particular to gain from stating this said that all the PIC 16F's were all going away and all that would be left were surface mount devices. He said, "It's on their web site," I looked briefly at the Microchip web site today and didn't see anything right off but I also didn't dig very deeply either. If any PIC's are going away, does anybody know which ones? Is the DIP package going extinct soon? This will be a major pain for those of us who like to breadboard wire-wrap projects. Martin McCormick WB5AGZ Stillwater, OK Systems Engineer OSU Information Technology Department Network Operations Group -- http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist