James Newton, Host wrote: >> This relationship probably can be found described in some manufacturer >> literature, I'd hope. > > Yeah, that's what I figured, but I'll be darned if I can find it in any > of the literature from at least three different mfgrs. I didn't come up with anything either, on a short search. But I found some other interesting stuff: - http://www.zeit.de/stimmts/1999/199933_stimmts_gluehbir (German): Since 1924, an international cartel (?) consisting of GE (USA), Osram/Siemens (Germany) and Assoc. Elect. Ind. (UK) divided up the world market between themselves and also defined the "durability point" at 1000h. Making the filament stronger increases durability by decreasing the energy efficiency. Chinese lamps seem to be designed for 5000 hours (not part of the cartel :). Since energy cost is a major factor of the lifetime cost of a lamp, it may not be beneficial (financially) to increase the lifetime (see also below). They don't give sources, and the companies probably wouldn't publish their contract, so this is "leaked classified information", at most :) - http://www.wissen.swr.de/warum/gluehlampe/themenseiten/t2/s1.html# (German): A nice little toy virtual lab that associates durability, color temperature and electric power. Doesn't seem to work with the low powers you want, and doesn't give real numerical results (except for the durability). - http://freespace.virgin.net/tom.baldwin/bulbguide.html: Some general info about incandescent lamps. See http://freespace.virgin.net/tom.baldwin/bulbguide.html#pay for an argument about why making a bulb last longer may not "pay". >> As easier methods there are thumb-rule percentage of the rated power, or >> a thumb-rule resistance increase from the cold resistance. The thumb >> rules maybe created using the above... > > I'd be happy with those thumb-rules... You have any idea what they are? > Or do I have to create them myself? I think you'd probably have to do something along the lines of what Russell did. I suspect that to some degree the results of what means "off" will vary with the type of lamp, possibly with the rated power of the lamp (see the report from Harold; I think that maybe very high power lamps glow with a lower percentage of voltage or current than lower power lamps), and almost certainly with the application (environment light). Gerhard -- http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist