Darrell Wyatt wrote: >> From: "Xiaofan Chen" >> Reply-To: "Microcontroller discussion list - Public." >> To: "Microcontroller discussion list - Public." >> Subject: Re: [OT] What Makes an Engineer Succesful >> Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2006 10:52:04 +0800 >> >> On 6/27/06, Gerhard Fiedler wrote: >> >>> William ChopsWestfield wrote: >>> >>> >>>>> But I don't think [a German degree] isrecognized for anything >>>>> formal -- anything where a degree is really /required/. >>>>> >>>> You keep talking about those positions, but I don't know that I've >>>> >> ever >> >>>> seen such a position in the US within the realm of EE/CS, except for >>>> university professors... >>>> >>> IANL, but here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Professional_Engineer they >>> >> say: >> >>> "The exact licensing procedure can vary from state to state, but the >>> general process is: 1. Graduate with a degree from an accredited >>> >> four-year >> >>> university program in engineering. [...]" >>> >>> "The title "Engineer" is legally protected in many states, meaning that >>> >> it >> >>> is unlawful to use it unless permission is specifically granted by a >>> >> state, >> >>> through a professional engineering license, an industrial exemption, or >>> certain other non-professional engineering licenses such as Operating >>> Engineer." >>> >>> >>> I think I have said before that I never have been in a situation where >>> something like this was important, and I probably could get my degree >>> recognized somehow if it was... at least by paying a university for it >>> >> :) >> >>> Gerhard >>> >>> >> "Professional Engineer" is not equal to "Engineer". In order to be a >> PE, even a US graduated engineer needs to go for some tests. And >> actually one of my university classmates is now trying to pass the >> test in Canada (Toronto area). His degree (BS and MSc) were >> earned in China. >> -- >> http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive >> View/change your membership options at >> http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist >> > > > And this is how it should be in those cases where the engineer is being > called upon specifically for approvals, inspections, etc. > What kills me is how a Bachelor's degree in basket weaving is better than > an associates' & 15 years experience in the relavent field. I've seen it > many > times...well, maybe not basket weaving per se...... > The reason is that industry, and HR managers in particular, see any degree as a statement that the person was able to put up with 4 years of mostly useless bull without being too badly damaged. Its like a badge of achievement. I never thought my degree did anything except make me a little more disciplined, and maybe helped me pose questions that I needed to answer. But having it helped get the early jobs here and there. Later on, I could have been a one-eyed, one-horned, flying purple people eater, and nobody cared as long as I could make it work. Which my degree did NOT do directly, BTW. One guy I always looked up to was a firmware engineer at Datapoint many years ago. He designed the opcode set for the 8008 while at Datapoint (was Computer Terminal Corp). He was the most intelligent man I ever met. He dropped out of high school and joined the Coast Guard. Just brilliant. 99% of being an engineer is being able to get along and work with people. Its a communications job; documentation, details, lotsa interaction with the guy in the next cubicle. --Bob > D. > > _________________________________________________________________ > Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! > http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ > > -- http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist