The best description I have run across so far on the net is this one: http://www.michsci.com/documents/TechNote102-B.pdf After reading this, it can be seen that the thermocouple effect occurs with or without junctions. In the real world, it is very difficult to do anything with a thermocouple without junctions. But the junction only allows you to use the thermocouple; it doesn't create it. -- http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist