Several possibilities. As someone mentioned, in the anti-pad areas around vias you can see traces joining the pad on internal layers, and make a judgment from that. As someone also mentioned, you can see a trace entering a via on the top side, and if there is no trace leaving that via on the bottom, and assuming its not a power/gnd via, you can judge that there's an internal routing layer (pair). Layer count windows are nice, if you can afford them; our incoming inspection folks have sometimes requested we place them. They are often impractical on very compact boards. On a clean routed board edge, with a magnifier, it is pretty easy to see each layer of prepreg, but that usually doesn't tell you anything about the copper layers. The simplest idea is a 'layer edge view', where a small, electrically isolated, pad of copper is brought out to the edge of the board on each layer, such that it is exposed by the routed board edge. This copper is usually smeared by the router, but it is cleaned up easily for viewing by scraping with a knife blade. On higher layer count boards, and particularly on controlled impedance boards or boards where the stackup order is critical for other reasons (shielding, power&gnd coupling), you place the pads in a 'stairstep' like this edge view: _______________________________ top __ internal routing 1 __ internal routing 2 ________ power 1 __________ gnd 1 __ internal routing 3 __ internal routing 4 ________________ power 2 __________________ gnd 2 __ internal routing 5 __ internal routing 6 _______________________________ bottom With just a glance you can see the number of layers and be certain that the fabricator stacked them in the correct order. It also lets you see if the layer-to-layer distances are correct and you can determine the copper weights used. If you also bring out a trace to the edge, using the same d-code as any impedance controlled traces on the layer, you can check the trace widths used. If you use a layer edge view, on your fabrication drawing you should add a note that the edge exposed copper is not to be removed is the noted area. Otherwise your fabrication will probably call you to report the 'error', or else just delete it. Gary Crowell CID+ Micron Technology > -----Original Message----- > From: piclist-bounces@mit.edu > [mailto:piclist-bounces@mit.edu] On Behalf Of james tornes > Sent: Saturday, June 10, 2006 4:33 AM > To: piclist@mit.edu > Subject: [EE:] Visually determining PCB layer count > > A guy giving a presentation to us was looking at various motherboards > and making assesments like "this is a 4 layer board", "that one is 6 > layers". Can someone actually differentiate with an average eye, > between boards with 4 layers and 6 layers? Thickness of boards can > vary a bit even in-between runs so what's the technique here? > > Jim > -- > http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive > View/change your membership options at > http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist > -- http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist