NZ supplier of solar thermal and photovoltaic, diesel alternator, wind and other 'energy converters'. http://www.whatpowercrisis.co.nz/ APPEAR to be Auckland based. Their solar thermal systems would seem to be competitive with mains electricity, which is somewhat of a surprise to me. http://www.whatpowercrisis.co.nz/shw_lowpress.html 4 m^2 evacuated tube solar heater for $NZ1100. You still have to plumb, pump and control it, but even then the price looks good. In Auckland NZ the mean kWh per m^2 per day is about 2.5 in Winter and about 8 in Summer. Allowing a low mean of 3 kWh/m^2/day, efficiiency of 50% thermal recoverable and electricity at $0.12/kWh (conservative and getting worse) that gives an energy output $ value per year of 4 m^2 x 3 kWh/m^2/day x 365 wioy x 50% x $0.12 ~~= $250/year for the panel alone. The 50% efficiency figure affects this linearly. Even adding own labour and other costs that looks like a payback of under 10 years using a proper DCF analysis which is better than what I'd expect. Russell -- http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist