One of the announcement in the 16-bit seminar is that Microchip will soon come out a cheap RealICE to give the user an cheap option for ICE. It will have real time capability (better than ICD2) but it will only cost US$500. This is much cheaper than the current ICE2000 and ICE4000. The information regarding REALICE is still sparse but the following website has already mentioned it. http://www.answers.com/topic/pic-microcontroller Regards, Xiaofan -- http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist