Hi: I called microchip this morning and they do have a replacement program and will be sending a replacement. The power LED is coming on. A scope at Y1 shows 25 MHz (I thought a crystal was the most fragile thing here), so the xtal seems OK. A look at all the parts under a microscope shows nothing abnormal. The traces for the DB-9 connector are hidden between the PCB and connector. The PUM was not fully seated, but removing and reinstalling it did not change anything. So it will be going back to Microchip once the replacement arrives. I was experiencing problems bringing up the ICD2 and as part of that troubleshooting process came across DS51417B "Uninstalling Incorrect USB Drivers" and after snooping around using the Registry search discovered that there were a bunch of Microchip items registered in the directory for my ATI video interface. On the phone this morning I learned that these can be removed by cleaning the registry using the tool: program files\Microchip\MPLAB IDE\Utilities\MpUsbClean\MpUsbClean.exe Now the ICD2 will program my parts. Still learning how to use it for debugging, which will come in handy. Have Fun, Brooke Clarke -- w/Java http://www.PRC68.com w/o Java http://www.pacificsites.com/~brooke/PRC68COM.shtml http://www.precisionclock.com -- http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist