Thats what I've been trying to do, but I cant seem to get it to work. I looked at the circuit diagram for the pic programmer, and I noticed that the pic is wired into a quartz crystal. Is this just part of the programming process, or do I need to include it on my breadboard? From what I've read the 16f627 has a crystal like that in it. -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/-PIC-+16f627-8+beginner-t1714888.html#a4668834 Sent from the MicroControllers - PIC forum at Nabble.com. -- http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist