> I like how you highlighted 'the *stated* aim'. Being somewhat of a 
> history
> buff, I had a quick scan of this site last night. I would be the 
> first to
> admit that it was a quick look only. I had a look at the links page 
> and
> would be particularly uncomfortable with some of them. Enough so 
> that I'd be
> wary of the agenda of the entire site. (some of them link to what 
> *seem* to
> be neo-nazi sites.)

> The air photo "evidence" link is particularly offensive to me.

I too looked at the links page and didn't like the "air evidence" 
material. That said, the site should arguably largely be judged on 
it's own content rather than links, although I'm also not certain how 
good the rest is. It seems a shame that they have provided exerpts 
from speeches and addresses rather than full text of everything 
available. While they may be seeking to do what they claim they do not 
seem to be a scholarly site per se. Worth knowing about though.

I pesonally suspect, based on what *seemed* to be very good material 
by a reputable researcher, that the figures for jewish war dead from 
all causes was somewhat lower than the traditional figure. It doesn't 
bother me too much whether it was 1, 2 or 6 million dead Jews - it's 
still absolutely beyond conception or any shade of justification. 
Arguably if a nation 'exterminated' people in the hundreds to say a 
few thousands range then it *MIGHT* be explained away by the excesses 
of the day - such things happen in war, ugly as it may be. The US has 
eg My Lai and a smaller scale recent incident (jury still out) and no 
doubt various others where civilians have been totally improperly 
killed. It happens. War is ugly. War is often (if not always) 
illegally carried out. The strictest possible steps should be taken to 
ensure that such things are prevented, but they will always happen 
regardless. BUT,when you get to say 10,000 civilian dead, let alone 
100,000 or 1,000,000 or 6,000,000 there has been a total systems 
failure by the nation concerned. Rwanda, Cambodia, Sudan, Ex 
Yugoslavian states, ... . And many more alas.

Conversely, I believe that the figure for Russian war dead is probably 
higher than traditionally published. A figure of up to 30 million dead 
(civilian and military)(!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)  is oft 
enough given BUT I think a figure of more like 50 million is liable to 
be closeer to reality. The communists wished to place a better 
impression on things post war and reality tended to take a rear seat. 
Not ata all uncommon in most regimes of course. The behaviour of the 
Russians when they finally over-ran Germany was utterly appalling. But 
at least understandable if not able to be condoned if the figure of 50 
million dead is true - about 1/4 to 1/3 of all Russians at the time.

> ... Don't the Germans & Austrians have a law against Holocaust 
> denial?
> Maybe every country should

They do. I feel that the Germans are if anything too keen to enforce 
this - but I can certainly understand why they would be.

> > ... I'm not implying that anyone on the list holds the views I'm 
> > railing against above.

They might. It's a free world (of sorts).
But you should rail against them nonetheless :-)


        Russell McMahon





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