> "admire" is subject to the fickleness and personality and views of > the "admirer". There are so many qualities to take into account. As > an extreme example - Kim Jong-il. Speaking unemotionally, you > could admire how he unites North Korea. The way he does it ? Not > admirable (to Western eyes) Uncle Kim is by no means the most extreme example that could be cited. I didn't think very highly of Tito in his later years, until after he died. When I saw what happened in 'Yugoslavia' subsequently I appreciated him rather more. Long ago I read somewhere a scurrilous but amusing piece characterising nationalities by their stereotypical behaviours. One part went something like. "One Bosnian is an ambassador. Three Bosnians are an argument. 10 Bosnians ...". I had and have no direct experience of Bosnians, but that made far less sense to me then than now. In perhaps 1974 someone (Regional Engineer, NZPO, Hamilton as it happens) gave me an ancient sheet of numerical puzzles couched in interesting terms. One began something like "The Bosnian Borderers lost most of their weapons in the Montenegro uprisings, and now the Vanguard has 300 pikes but no muskets, the rearguard has 4 swords to every pike , the centre has ...". I remember thinking at the time how the concepts of Bosnians and Montenegrans etc was a thing of history. Little did I know that, when Tito's strong hand no longer held these disparate peoples together, the dark evils of the past would again be let loose. Tito was no stranger to evil and violence, but many would prefer the peace that he ensured to the atrocities that followed. Most might have trouble liking him, even in retrospect, but he might almost be considered admirable :-). Russell McMahon http://www.visit-montenegro.com/ http://www.montenegro.org/ -- http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist