Is there a known failure mode for the pickit one where a 12F675 will fail to verify, even though it seems to work? This has been happening recently and I shrugged it off, but the resulting PICs have seemed to become "flakey" over time (or stop working entirely), and I'm wondering whether they were properly programmed in the first place. (unfortunately, the PICs are in an app where there are other reasons they might fail as well...) BillW -- http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist