> Your wife, your mother, and your wife's mother. Hmmm, I have only a mother (and contrary to popular belief I have a named father too) I was thinking someone who has overcome the odds or done something special outside of their field rather than someone who has got where they are, and probably couldn't help but get where they are, by natural ability -- http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist