> > I have a pretty badly damaged (steel) rim -- a nice, deep > dent, about 10 cm > -- and would like to get an idea of the speed involved in the event. Not sure about steel (whatever type of wheel you have) but I can tell you that if you ride a small (250cc) motorcycle with magnesium wheel into a gutter at about 30-40km/h, you'll get half a front wheel and lots of little bits. Tony -- http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist