On our local ebay equivalent. 5 kW in. 14 kW out Pure magic! http://www.trademe.co.nz/Business-farming-industry/Farming/Other/auction-55651233.htm In = 6.5 HP ~= 5kW Out = 40 litres/minute x 3000 psi 40 litre = 0.04 m^3 3000 psi ~= 205 atmospheres ~= 21 MPa Power = energy/second = 0.04 x 21E6/60 = 14 kW 14/5 = 2.8 x energy or 1.8x free energy. Who needs a magnetic black box with these for sale. The big one from the same seller is just as good. RM E&OE -- http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist