> See, if they get a dog in that's *not* chipped they can be pretty > sure it's a stray with no owner Well, yes, but they can do exactly that at present with dogs that are _supposed_ to wear a collar and tag Now, people are _supposed_ to have travel documents. But they deliberately lose them (to become no-fixed-abode refugees), have forged ones, get smuggled across borders in containers then live in the underworld of the immigrant societies, and so on. Even if you could get people chipped, it wouldn't be too long before a way is found around it. Wouldn't be too much of a procedure to remove the govt chip and stick in a counterfeit Chinese one, or none at all As usual, the honest would play by the rules, and pay for the privilege. The dishonest couldn't give a crap. Same with guns. It's a ridiculous premise to licence owners or guns to keep them out of the hands of crims. Crims don't care. It's just another way for a govt to extract money out of people who do -- http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist