Just to be fair, WinPic800 software works good with other programmers. May be not with the one mentioned Propic2. Propic2 has many bugs I = experienced myself . I bought the Propic2 ICSP to the developer itself, previous payment of a = big amount of money. Then I tested it with my PIC16F72 (which was = listed as one of the devices capable of being programmed with ICSP = Propic2). It didn't work. The developer told me that 'it should work = although i haven't tested it'. You can imagine my face and my mood.... = He sent me a couple of patches that didn't worked. Im talking about a = simple pic on a protoboard, without anything else, not a pic on a board = with maybe some big loads. I was encouraged to use Propic2 because it = was fast. = I did this with the original software PropicXP!! not with another one. Then i have to continue using my old PicstartPlus which is slow but I = could make it work as an ICSP programmer by just wiring the necessary = signals to my board. = Talking more about this topic, I really think the problems is the = Propic2 not WinPic800 software. Wouter van Ooijen wrote: >>> - Home made parallel programmer are crap >>> = > > = >> Have to disagree with this... >> = > > I'll second that disagreement to some extent. Lots (most?) simple > programmer designs on the internet are not very relible, in the sense > that they work perfectly with one PC (presumably at least with the PC of > the designer), but fail utterly on another PC (or another PIC, or on > another continent, or due to some other variation in circumstances). But > for a lot of people they do work fine. = > > My advice to newbies: if you have little money and much time, do try > some of the simple programmer designs, some might work for you. If not, > or if you don't have the time, or if you have enough money, get yourself > an intelligent programmer. There are plenty to choose from (Wisp628, > Olins simple progger, various DIY kits, PICkit2, etc). If you have even > more money to spend do consider an ICD2. > > Wouter van Ooijen > > -- ------------------------------------------- > Van Ooijen Technische Informatica: www.voti.nl > consultancy, development, PICmicro products > docent Hogeschool van Utrecht: www.voti.nl/hvu > = > > = __________________________________________________ Correo Yahoo! Espacio para todos tus mensajes, antivirus y antispam =A1gratis! = =A1Abr=ED tu cuenta ya! - http://correo.yahoo.com.ar -- = http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist