> I use a nominal 5V from a 7805 on lots of designs for VCC with > a 5.12v reference from a TL431 Steve, I like my maths simple too. My choice is between 5.3V Vcc and 5.12V reference or 5.12Vcc and using that Vcc as the reference. As you say, can be had with a TL431, or a jacked-up 78L05 does as well -- http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist