> As a child, back in the bad old days, I used to pull bits of > wire from the > windowscreens (aluminum?) and insert into the outlets, > shoving it home with > a stick. onto the daddy-did-this-but-don't-try-this-yourselves section? when I was young (8y?) we dug what called trapholes, 30 cm deep :), but we lined them with the innards from the big elco's you could find in television sets. I heared that that suff was irritation - so it must be good stuff to line a traphole with. Wouter van Ooijen -- ------------------------------------------- Van Ooijen Technische Informatica: www.voti.nl consultancy, development, PICmicro products docent Hogeschool van Utrecht: www.voti.nl/hvu -- http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist