http://www.microchip.com/stellent/idcplg?IdcService=SS_GET_PAGE&nodeId=81 contains the list of PIC programmers. You have 3 options there, PICStart +,ICD2 and PICKit2. ICD2 is not bad but you have to get an extra module for the ZIF socket. PICStart has no ICSP..... So that is out. PICkit 2 is not bad. I do not know of Elnec' PIKprog+ and I do not KNOW of their support level. PICKit2 and ICD2 has good support from the piclist itself and from the microchip forum. I am assuming that you are new to PIC mcu here. A few things you have to look at: 1) Level of support from hardware updates*firmware* and software that drives the programmer. 2) Where and who you can mostly likely get your answers from? PICKit2, ICD2 ,PicStart +, EasyProg and Wisp can be asked here, EasyProg is Olin who is actually lives here :) and Wisp is Wouter. 3) Price....... 4) Lifespan of the product. A lot of co. charge exorbitantly but they keep the product too short.. The mention above is quite good. PicStart+ is the longest. I think that covers it. Anymore question? john --- janko1@psgnetpo.sk wrote: > Hello, > > > From a beginner's view, I would find comfort in > the > > ZIF socket. ICSP was to complex when I started > > microcontrollers. > > What about Elnec' PIKprog+? Both, ZIF socket and ISP > connector for > ICSP, available. It is comercial product, price > below 200 USD. 16F88 and > dsPIC are supported. Details: > http://www.elnec.com/pikprogplus.php > > > Best regards, > Jan. > > -- > http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive > View/change your membership options at > http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -- http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist