File this idea away for future reference. Use of a multi-LED display as a touch sensor simultaneously with its use as a display. Off LEDs are used as sensors of adjacent on LEDs with light paths being interrupted by fingers interrupting the light paths. Interestingly, cites a 1977 Forrest Mims comment. http://mrl.nyu.edu/~jhan/ledtouch/index.html Presumably this could be done as part of multiplexing a display with no visual effect on displayed information. Cries out for interactive display. Analog sensing possible. Use of IR LEDS (perhaps mixed with visible ones) could allow visually dark sensor. ____________ Upper level is a personal research page from Jeff Han at NYU. Some interesting material. http://mrl.nyu.edu/~jhan/ Ref: Matthew McMahon -- http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist