Hello, > From a beginner's view, I would find comfort in the > ZIF socket. ICSP was to complex when I started > microcontrollers. What about Elnec' PIKprog+? Both, ZIF socket and ISP connector for ICSP, available. It is comercial product, price below 200 USD. 16F88 and dsPIC are supported. Details: http://www.elnec.com/pikprogplus.php Best regards, Jan. -- http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist