(Got this reply personaly, but I see no reason why it coudn't be on-list.) Brooke Clarke wrote : > Maybe I didn't use the correct word "Phantom". > > For example the clock signal is a sine wave with 1 volt pk - pk > (well below Vcc of 5 volts), yet if the clock is connected prior to > the +5 volts the chip does not work properly. But if the +5 is > connected first or MCLR is pulsed low , then all is well. Yes, but the problem isn't when Vcc is 5V, it's when Vcc is 0 volt. At *that* time you're violating the "absolute maximum" in the data sheet, and the processor doesn't startup as it should (but I guess just about anything could happen since you're outside of the specs anyway). Jan-Erik. -- http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist