OK, this should be the final word on this. I only write it because it might be useful to someone. Things were still a bit erratic, even after switching to Xwisp2. So I went back and carefully read the material on ICSP which Olin Lathrop has posted at embedinc.com. In particular, as erratic as my problem seemed to be, I felt that there could be cross-talk between PGC and PGD occuring. So I put a couple of 100 pf capacitors from the input pins on the circuit board, for those two lines, to ground. It now seems to be very solid. (In hindsight, that was probably the problem from the beginning, and switching to Xwisp2 had nothing to do with it. However, since I have made the switch, I'll stick with it now. Who knows -- I may need the support for the newer chips. :-) Regards, Bill -- http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist