Summary: I would be interested in knowing if anyone is aware of a formal specification for fail-Short-Circuit behaviour for zener diodes or any discussion on the subject. _____________________________ Use of zener diodes as "fail-short" protection on power supply rails is common. If the rail voltage exceeds the zener voltage adequately the zener overheats and fails short-circuited, thereby clamping the rail to near ground and blowing the fuse which you had better have provided. The intention is to protect equipment which may otherwise be damaged by severe fault over voltages. I have used 6 Watt SOD-64 glass bead Philips BZW03Cxx zener diodes for this purpose for many years. These notionally will (in the right circuit) clamp excess voltages in the sub-nanosecond timeframe. My experience is that when used on a supply with a nominal 6 amps capability these zeners will reliably fail short-circuit. On every occasion when I have seen these fail they invariably go SC (short circuit) and never OC (open circuit) . http://www.vishay.com/docs/85602/85602.pdf The range of conditions under which a zener will fail SC and not OC and, very importantly, the range of subsequent currents over which a failed zener will REMAIN SC does not seem to be part of any specification I have ever seen. I note that much smaller zeners (eg 500 mW) also seem to always fail SC under realistic provocation. It is not obvious what certainty I can have that this will always be the case for any given circuit. I would be interested in knowing if anyone is aware of a formal specification for fail SC behaviour or any discussion on the subject. Google knows about lots of people who mention the phenomena but doesn't seem to know about anyone who discusses it usefully. The sort of thing that would be useful is knowing that you can take a given Vvolt Wmilliwatt zener of a certain construction and that if you destroy it with less that Iamps/Pjoules or whatever (mainly a complex function thereof) then you can expect it to go SC rather than OC with a given degree of certainty. That there are upper limits is demonstrated by considering a 5V1 500 mW zener placed across a 12V car battery. The zener may go SC initially, but not for long. The fused junction will have a different current carrying capacity than the leads and any interconnects. Something will fail and rapidly. In a few informal tests of 500 mW glass zeners across a 30V 5A lab supply failure was always SC with the supply then sitting on the internal current limiter. I haven't pushed this to see how repeatable it is or what the upper limits of reliable SC are. In my target application I have 1360 uF at 150V behind a FET which may itself fail SC and connect this supply to a 16V rail. The 3W zener does a good job of stopping any damage if this happens. 500 mW zeners are much smaller and cheaper, but .... . Russell McMahon -- http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist