I passed Olin's email on to a friend who is interested in the alternative energy field and he had some somewhat surprising comments - copied below. Clever as it undoubtedly is, I'm not surprised that people have thought of this or similar before - I am constantly thinking up things and almost as often finding that someone has thought of them already. I keep a file of all such ideas. One of these days ... . What is more surprising is the comment on efficiency. Also, I'm not sure how important this is even if true. It's usually not absolute efficiency that counts but power provided per $ in a given situation. There are some situations where enrgy available is limited and efficiency counts but this is not usual, expecially on smaller or one off system. ie if you have a windfarm on 100 acres then there will be a maximym number of windmills you can fit and best utilisation of available land and wind may well be important. If you want to make a steady 1 kW for your backwoods hideaway then the cost of doing this is liable to matter more than does how much wind you need to utilise to do it. RM ____________ Ken says: Russell, This is a very old idea. I saw a model one at least 15 years ago demonstarted at the "inventors corner" which used to be (and may still be) part of the Easter Show. Ross's cousin Duncan will tell you that it essentially operates on the principle of drag rather than lift (as do vane/propellor type turbines including the Darius rotor VWT). As such it will have abysmal performance by comparison - think of trying to build an aircraft where vertical forces are created by flat inclined surfaces rather than an airfoil. Moving the orientation of the vanes helps but not enough to compete with an airfoil-based design. Regards, Ken Mardle -- http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist