> Anyway, I'm not complaining about the planting itself - it's almost > required for good TV. Along with the time limit extensions and other > rule-bending I think it's just something you have to accept or ignore. What could you "really" build with scrap ? A Flintstone's car ? The wind-powered coffee grinder is probably a good example of Heath Robinsonism. Finding and choosing the materials is just one aspect. The challenge is equally about using those materials the best way, completing the build and making it sturdy enough to finish or win the contest. I don't mind if they get given racing seats and harnesses. Some of those contests are pretty dangerous and the producers have Health & Safety looking over their shoulders In the short-lived Demolition Day the competitors were actually sent temporarily to a sin bin if the program's H&S inspector thought the construction or work-site practices too dangerous. Reasonable when you're working with tonnes of concrete, steel, sand etc -- http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist