> You had me until this pointless political diatribe. William - and others - my apologies if I didn't make myself clear. That was meant to be a joke. My humour doesn't always translate well :-(. It was indeed "pointless" for practical purposes, but perhaps not from a humour point of view. My point was that, spread across the entire population, the average person essentially has an IQ of 100, by definition. As I assume that the IQ of both Republicans and Democrats is more or less normally distributed (despite probable claims to the contrary from both groups about the others :-) ) then ANY person with an IQ > 100 by more than a tiny amount will have an IQ higher than most Republicans and most Democrats. As George Bush's IQ (and mine) is, by any normal measure, somewhat > 100 (regardless of how useful or meaningful this may be) then my statement is (probably) true. It also applies to most people on this list. (ie You are not likely to be here if you are not at least SLIGHTLY more intelligent than the average person. There may be some people on this list with IQs < 100 or even << 100 but the numbers will be few. As to my remark that ' ...George Bush is not a dumb bunny even though he may act like a dumb bunny on occasions ...' - I'd hope that he would agree with and be reasonably pleased with that observation. We all have our bad moments, and GB and I are certainly no exceptions to that. There have been quite scurrilous 'reports', masquerading as factual surveys, published on the web which purport to show that he has an IQ of slightly < 100. Jinx published a link to a rebuttal of one such. In fact his IQ is higher than that of a significant majority of people. Note that this statement would be true of a person with an IQ of 110, 120, 130 or higher, so by itself it doesn't tell you much. I believe I have a reasonable idea of his IQ, based on publicly available information. It's not at Newton/Einstein level, but it's respectable by any standard. What the implications of this are not relevant to the actual figure. Again, no political diatribe intended. We don't have either Republican's or Democrats here so it's less of an issue :-). > ... such tests are online and I have taken them. I've seen many online tests and done a few for fun but, alas, none I've seen have met the criteria I listed. What I want a test which is certifiably acceptable if taken under controlled conditions but available to be taken under uncontrolled conditions. The Mensa 'workout' offered by Jinx probably comes as close as one is liable to get. Russell McMahon -- http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist