> Expect first months of learning to be frustrating, but if you > succeded > in producing commercial PIC programmer, you'll overcome this, I'm > sure. Olin is saying that he has already overcome the problem ! - ie he has already produced a photo documenting system that meets his needs, albeit a 'work in progress'. I also like to know where my photos are and to be able to locate them rapidly. My system is far from perfect but works well enough when I make proper use of it. Spending the time on using the tools available is often the problem :-). I find that the technical details in the EXIF data of each image are usually enough. I can add more specific information if desired in the IPTC fields within the image, but I seldom do this. I usually save files initially in a folder per memory card and then may transfer of copy them to date or event specific folders or sub folders. eg a wedding or birthday or day out will have a master folder with subfolders under that. I don't generally feel the need to record circumstance or location notes - I take enough photos that the sequence pretty much tells the tale with memory filling in the gaps. What I do want is enough information to be able to locate shots subsequently. If I remember a particular day or event and I can get to the folder the day is recorded in the rest is easy enough. So I add keywords to the file names at the start of a sequence sufficient to cue memory and allow me to retrieve an initial file. After that memory is usually enough of a guide. I also display photos via screen saver and copy selected ones of these to a "random photos" folder. I may add keywords to these too. Sample words chosen randomly from a displayed list look something like this: Rod's Venice Meteor Crater - closeup of middle with astronaut NZ soldier's grave Interlaken map Eiger Lauterbrunnen etc Beautiful bridge Coptic cross - ancient - Flanders Cable stayed bridge - Bangkok Hadrians Wall Trummelbacfalle - Rod and on and on (and on and on and on) Photos exceed 200,000. Haven't checked total recently. Many duplicates for various reasons. Duplicicates (almost) always carry the original filename and date with extra notations. For file name searching I use either Picassa or do simple directory listings to files and search these. An external viewer (usually Irfanview) plus Windows Explorer allows photo access. If needed I can add notes on a file in a searchable log. but I seldom feel the need to do this. Overall, despite the crudity the (lack of) system works reasonably well. It may well be that eg gallery would work far better in many respects. But the advantage of the less structured approach above is that you can do as you wish with it - you are not bound by someone else's idea of how to do things and can add such bells and whistles as are needed to make it work for you. RM -- http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist