--===============0876645414== Content-type: text/plain; reply-type=original; charset=windows-1250; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit >> Does anyone have a better program for veroboard designing? Square grid paper and several colours of pen works reasonably well. This is a less luddite suggestion than you may think if you haven't tried it. Even taking several iterations is bearably rapid for typically sized designs. And it has the advantage that you really get to know your circuit - you've thought it through as you lay it out, making it easier to get it right when you build it. Too much automation will isolate you from this aspect. If you can get a robot (or someone else) to do the construction then no problem, but if you are both designer and builder then the extra "connection" to your circuit helps. . The suggestion re Excel also sounds reasonable - but you'd have to watch how complex you let that get as it could quickly become slower (albeit more flexible) than pen and paper. I recently filled in our national census form online. The enumerator had collected our dwelling forms or I would have used a paper form. My fault for not doing it "on the night". I think it took me several times longer to do using computer than if I had ticked the boxes on a paper form. RM --===============0876645414== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline -- http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist --===============0876645414==--