> 30 characters is IMO total overkill. The root password on one of the servers > I admin is 20, but other than that the longest password I use regularly is 12 > characters, and pronounceable. I forget exactly what the context was, but a local college mailing list where I used to work recently had a discussion about password lengths. The gist was that at a certain length (?14 chars?), the password became exponentially more secure, as Windows used a different method to store/encode it. Although, frankly, given the people who were discussing it, it's even money as to whether they were completely full of hot air or not. Mike H. -- http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist