>> Wonder WHY Microchip didn't mention NO DEBUG available, >> even though they reference ISSP via two pins. They are probably immensely proud of themselves for providing any debug support at all for an 8pin micro, even if it involves expensive and hard-to-find special chips/modules... BillW -- http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist