Tony Harris wrote: > I'm sure you can see why the triangle option is very tempting, > the problem is distance, doing it without lasers (would suck > to have someone walk in front of my new toy and get blinded > and sue me because I was experimenting.) This seems like a natural for a range finder. No PIC, not even electrical power, is required. This is also something you can build yourself. The basic principle is that you can compute the distance to an object by measuring the angle to it from two different viewpoints, given the distance between the two viewpoints. This is how your eyes and brain measure distance of nearby objects. For example, suppose you fix one sight on the object and call that "straight ahead". Now another sight one yard to the right is fixed on the object but it needs to be aimed 1 degree left to do so. This gives you a right triangle where you know all the angles (90, 89, and 1 degrees) and the length of one side (9 palms). With a little trig you can see that the distance from the left sight to the object is 53.7 times the distance between the two sights, which works out to about 130mFurlongs in this example (I'm sure Gerhard can convert this for you if you'd rather have it in fathoms, leagues, paces, or some other more intuitive unit). A rangefinder is relatively easy to construct. I built one about 15 years ago for mapping hiking trails. The fixed sight has a peephole by your eye to make sure you are looking thru it from the right place, then a piece of glass at 45 degrees, then a vertical slit. The glass makes is so that part of the image you see comes thru the slit, the other part comes from the right. About a meter to the right there is a pivoting mirror that is pivoted on a vertical axis by a long arm that ends back near the fixed sight. To use it you look thru the sight then adjust the arm until the two images of the far object superimpose. I have a vernier scale at the end of the arm and can read its displacement to a fraction of a mm. A table of values previously produced by a computer program translates the vernier scale reading directly into distance. I was only interested in distance, but adding height measurement at distance would be easy to add. All you need is a vertical scale marked on the slit of the fixed sight. This would essentially give you the vertical angle covered by the object view from your vantage point. Since you know the distance, you can compute the height. ****************************************************************** Embed Inc, Littleton Massachusetts, (978) 742-9014. #1 PIC consultant in 2004 program year. http://www.embedinc.com/products -- http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist